Closed
Bug 43647
Opened 24 years ago
Closed 23 years ago
Mozilla's icons are boring and ugly
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(SeaMonkey :: General, enhancement, P3)
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FIXED
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(Reporter: kaldari, Assigned: kerz)
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(Keywords: platform-parity, Whiteboard: [Mozilla is RED])
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The Mozilla icon is the worst of any browser out there. If we want to make a
good first impression on users, we need a kick-ass icon. How about staging a
contest for the best icon design or something? My personal preference would be
something based on either the red dinosaur graphic or the traditional Mozilla
lizard. I can't even figure out what the current icon is supposed to be. Let's
come up with something better.
Comment 1•24 years ago
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updating component and setting default owner.
Assignee: asa → bdonohoe
Component: Browser-General → User Interface: Design Feedback
QA Contact: doronr → mpt
Comment 3•24 years ago
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This bug?s status should be changed to enhancement as it is a feature request
not a bug.
Updated•24 years ago
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Severity: trivial → enhancement
Comment 4•24 years ago
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On Mac OS, the current icon is based on the old pre-Modern skin. And yes, it's
both ugly and boring.
On Windows (last time I checked), the current icon is a blue gecko. But if you
can work out that it's a gecko, you're lucky; and a gecko is inappropriate anyway
because Gecko is just one of the many bits which make up Mozilla.
I'm working on a new set of icons for Mozilla, Navigator, Messenger, Composer,
Address Book, Mozilla document etc, which I'll submit to
netscape.public.mozilla.ui for criticism/adjustment/trashing/approval.
Reassigning to self.
Assignee: ben → mpt
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Target Milestone: --- → M18
Comment 5•24 years ago
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FWIW the Linux Mozilla icon is the red star logo used on the Mozilla.party page
http://www.mozilla.org/party/2000/
Is it possible to use separate icons for different mozilla components like it is
with current versions of Netscape? I find it fairly useful to have a visual
indication on what window I'm opening (a mail, news, browser, etc). If it's not
possible I think a feature request should be made if it hasn't already.
Updated•24 years ago
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Comment 6•24 years ago
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That depends on the OS. The problem is that in Mozilla, each visible component
(Navigator, Messenger, Address Book, etc) is not an application itself, but a
document which the Mozilla application opens.
* On Windows, you can only have one icon for each document type.
* On Mac OS you can give documents custom icons, but this might require a lot of
work on the part of the Mozilla installer (as far as I know, .xpi packages are
just .zip files, and .zip files don't know about icons at all).
* I don't know how icons get assigned to documents on Unix, but I'd guess it's
the same way as Windows.
Presumably Netscape are going to solve this problem in some way as well,
otherwise the only recognizable icon to click on will be the one which says
`Netscape 6'. Asa probably knows who would be in charge of that sort of thing ...
Comment 7•24 years ago
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Comment 8•24 years ago
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Comment 9•24 years ago
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Attached red star icon in PNG and GIF formats. Reassigning to Simon, who should
know how to get the icon into the Mac build, and who to reassign this to to get
it working on other platforms.
Generic `Mozilla document' icon coming shortly.
Assignee: mpt → sfraser
Comment 10•24 years ago
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This icon sucks. I'm not going to check that in.
Comment 11•24 years ago
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What would suck less?
Comment 12•24 years ago
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Well, what do you want the icon to look like? It needs more detail that a simple
red star (which gives the impression of a Communist manifesto).
See also the Apple HIG for what application icons should look like.
Comment 13•24 years ago
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Simon, the time for complaining about red stars was March 1998. I think it's too
late for that.
I was thinking a simple red star for Mozilla, just as a simple smiley face is
used for Mac OS, a simple footprint is used for GNOME, a curvy window is used for
Windows, etc. Because this is really the icon for the Mozilla platform, and with
any platform it's hard to have a metaphor which is anything to do with what the
platform allows you to do.
More complex and specific icons would be made for the applications themselves
(Navigator, Messenger, Composer, Address Book) and for their documents (Mozilla
Registry, Preferences, HTML document ...).
I take the point that the one I attached is rather ... flat, though. I'll try to
fix it up.
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Comment 14•24 years ago
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Comment 15•24 years ago
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Bear in mind that this icon represents the Mozilla *browser* which is based on
Mozilla technology. So the icon represents an app built with the technology, not
the technology itself.
Allow me to quote a line from the original bug: "we need a kick-ass icon".
Comment 16•24 years ago
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Trouble is, for quite a while, the `Mozilla' icon is going to be the one
appearing at the end of the Mac's menu bar no matter what Mozilla-based
application you happen to be running -- whether it be Mozilla Navigator, or
Pagman, or Aphrodite, or ThemeBuilder, or XMLTerm, or whatever. When I open the
`Mozilla' icon I might not get a browser at all. (Actually, I have it set up to
start an e-mail program ...)
That's why this icon needs to be a generic one for the Mozilla platform; The
`Mozilla Navigator' icon, on the other hand, will definitely look like it
represents a browser (and will more closely follow the Mac guidelines about the
shape of application icons).
Comment 18•24 years ago
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Comment 19•24 years ago
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Perhaps you could attach it in a format that I can view on Mac (like a GIF).
Comment 20•24 years ago
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Comment 21•24 years ago
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Ugh, the red star. Didn't I refuse to check that in already?
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Comment 22•24 years ago
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The newest attachment is a blue 'm', not a red star. Perhaps you were
looking at the wrong one.
Comment 23•24 years ago
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*** Bug 56632 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 24•24 years ago
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Comment 25•24 years ago
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I should not have this bug. The mozilla icon is decided by the mozilla community
not me. Forwarding it to ben.
Assignee: german → ben
Comment 26•24 years ago
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We really need some better... Changing from M18 to 0.9.
Target Milestone: M18 → mozilla0.9
Comment 27•24 years ago
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Eugene Savitsky, the Target Milestone field is reserved for the bug's Assignee.
Please do not change that field. Thank you.
If you would like to suggest that a bug be fixed bay a particular time you can
use the appropriate keyword.
Target Milestone: mozilla0.9 → M18
Comment 28•24 years ago
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How about a competition on Mozillazine os some other site that is about mozilla?
First, we set up rules about what icons should be painted, and a list of
criteria (number of colors, size, the meaning of each icon, i18n and l10n
consideration and so on) and then the community gets a couple of weeks to
produce suggestions. Then the community gets a chance to vote, maybe after some
kind of jury has picked the "best" ones.
The only problem I can see is what to do if the "wrong" icon(s) wins.
Comment 29•24 years ago
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sounds like a great idea. This ball needs to get rolling soon!
Comment 30•24 years ago
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Comment 31•24 years ago
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I'd like to see smth more friendly... I don't like the early communistic style
of the icons. Just my opinion.
Comment 32•24 years ago
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I would also strongly advise against this potentially controversial and
offensive symbolism. Don't get me wrong, there are many good things about
Communism, but the general public (and I) would probably prefer to have a symbol
that is more "uniquely" associable with Mozilla and not conjure up immages of
cold-war eras.
Comment 33•24 years ago
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If we must use a star and an "M", then i suggest something that looks more
western (or american) like using the colors red, white and bluse (e.g. blue
background, white star, red "M").
The M font looks like some child skribbled it. I would suggest something like
the "cancun.ttf font (bold, yet playful).
I also like the idea (in the example above from Asa ) of having a letter for
each module (B = browser), but i would suggest writing the words out across the
bottom of the icon (BROWSER). Maybe a small symbol (e.g. broser pic) could
appear at the top right of each icon (the symbol should always be at the same
location to make quick visual ID easier. I'm working on an icon now...
Comment 34•24 years ago
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Eugene and Peter, I don't think we really care what "the general public ...
would probably prefer." Mozilla is not anything that the general public should
have to worry about. We are not an enduser distribution. Just like the general
public don't need to care about the linux kernel (end users get RedHat or some
other distribution which included that kernel) they don't need to care about
Mozilla.
Comment 35•24 years ago
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I would be VERY careful with such statements. Although it is cool to think one
is working n some personal project, the general public just MIGHT start caring
when they realize that Mozilla is the best choice of browsers. Netscape has
already dropped the ball by realeasing an unfinished product. I was a longtime
Netscape user, but am currently planning on only using Mozilla from now on. I
wouldn't be surprized if, once Mozilla is "all purdied up", that more people
start going this route. Let's keep an open ,mind about Mozilla becoming VERY
public in the next three months! The future of browsing (without M$) may depend
on it :-)
Comment 36•24 years ago
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adding myself to CC because the absurdity of this conversation is so
entertaining
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Comment 37•24 years ago
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I like the gecko, and not because i made it. Yay for the current icon!
Comment 38•24 years ago
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Comment 39•24 years ago
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The main application icon really needs an icon that is really crisp, anti-
aliased, and looks good at 16x16 pixels. Any ideas?
Comment 40•24 years ago
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Comment 41•24 years ago
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Icons are never larger than 128x128 [or 256x256 if you consider the alpha
channel of macos x]. At last count, we need 46 icons.
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Comment 42•24 years ago
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*** Bug 61700 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Assignee | ||
Comment 43•24 years ago
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I'm taking this. I have some stuff that i have shown to timeless. Will work on
in spare time... Also, 61700 is a dupe of this, not a dependant of this.
Assignee: ben → kerz
Comment 45•24 years ago
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Adding CC
Comment 46•24 years ago
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timeless is also working on a set of icons in bug 27746.
Comment 47•24 years ago
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cc to self.
kerz, how is this coming along? Is there, in fact, going to be a mozillazine
contest? I think there should be community input on this-- after all, a lot of
people are going to be seeing this icon. Personally, I think the contest is the
best idea-- there are probably some good artists who want to contribute to moz.
Comment 48•24 years ago
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(Yet again) I made some Mozilla icons of my own awhile ago, here's the link:
http://au.4mg.com/moz.htm
I really like the moz-communicator.ico one.
Comment 49•24 years ago
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I downloaded your icons and they look promissing. There are a few suggestions
1. For some reason under winNT, 1280x1024, 65k colors the icons have graphic
glitshes.
2. It would be nice to have at least an icon for "mozilla mail".
3. There seems to be no icon with a transparent background.
4. The background and foreground colors are both too intense making the
foreground symbol not stand out enough.
Comment 50•24 years ago
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the blue triangle in the background of the mozilla is very netscape-4.x-ish.
Even Netscape 6 doesn't have that anymore.
Comment 51•24 years ago
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I use RPMs built by blizzard, and his recent RPMs have included a very cool
Mozilla icon. Attaching. Should we cc him to ask where/when he got/made it?
Comment 52•24 years ago
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Comment 53•24 years ago
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cc endico for copyright issues.
Comment 54•24 years ago
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I'm the one that made the icon that blizzard uses. He can use it because
he has permission and he adds it into his own tree himself. However, there are
some possible trademark issues with checking the mozilla logo into the tree.
Mitchell is investigating this. Until this is figured out, we can't check any
more into the tree.
Once the trademark issue is finally resolved, i hope we can use my head image
in other icons as well although I don't have any special images for mailnews
or composer etc. Someone else would have to do that work or give me ideas.
My original artwork is in illustrator as line art so it is easily scalable.
If someone needs an icon in a different size the new icon should be made
from the line art. Please don't resize blizzard's bitmap since that will be
a lot lower quality. (except for drafts of course)
I have a separate head image which has a lot of details removed which I used
for creating the 16x16 icon in blizzard's build.
mpt's idea of using a generic red star is ok if the trademark issue never
gets resolved but I think good progress is being made so we might as well
leave things the way they are till we can use the mozilla image.
I would really prefer not to use stars in icons though because I've never
seen a star icon that didn't look really aliased. I'm ready to conclude
that unpixellated 5 pointed stars at that size are impossible.
Also, I would prefer not to use any icons that use the 'M' from the
throbber. Any future artwork should use the 'M' using the font used
in the mozilla.org banner. That font is called Revolution. I think
the foundry is t-3. However its probably a good idea to avoid using
letters in icons anyway.
Comment 55•24 years ago
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I did one icon, here's the link: http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/
you can find both 32x32 and 16x16 versions. Any suggestions?
Comment 56•24 years ago
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I do really like the red splash screen and the icons from the last commnet. I
vote for them!
Comment 57•24 years ago
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Could someone explain what the trademark issues are on this? Is the lizard
trademarked by Netscape?
Comment 59•24 years ago
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Depends on.
If the lizzard is trademarked by Netscape, then I see no reason they would stop
Mozilla from using it. I love the icons at http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/
(changing URL to that, as the old URL is outdated).
I'm not so mad on the splash screens, and I think the main Mozilla icon would
look better without the white border around it.
Also, please make sure a set of 48x48 icons is included, as this size is growing
in poplarity. Also include a set of icons at 16 colour in 16x16 and 32x32 sizes.
I see nothing wrong with including the blue triangle image, the reason Netscape
4 doesn't use it is because it only has one icon, which is the Netscape logo.
Depends on: 57576
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Comment 60•24 years ago
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Someone should talk to iconfactory.com about doing a contest. They do icon design
contests every year, and they always get super high quality submissions from the best
icon designers in the world. I'm sure lots of designers would love to take a crack at such a
high profile icon. It would assure them NetFame for dayz. Doing a contest on MozillaZine
wouldn't attract enough designers. If you need an icon, go to the source,
Comment 61•24 years ago
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i'd much prefer for us to just recruit artists and ask them to work based on
the two or three plans we have.
Unfortunately, i haven't figured out how to find artists
Comment 62•24 years ago
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The trademark issue i mentioned above refers to the question of who is allowed
to use the red mozilla image and who is not.
Let me be more clear. "The mozilla icon" is the red mozilla. The red mozilla
is our official symbol and we only want to use that in our official artwork.
The green mozilla has no place in such artwork. Its hard to say "Mozilla is
not Netscape" if we are using their image in our logo space. Yes, there is
currently a green mozilla in our splash screen but this is a mistake and it
should go away. The green mozilla is a great image but please, not in
the splash screen.
I really like Giovanni's icon images. They are the most professional ones I've
seen so far. The only problem is that the ship's wheel image is a logo
trademarked by netscape and we can't use it.
I also like the idea of getting a professional to do it. Are there specs for
this anywhere? A list of exactly what we need with sizes, color depths, formats,
etc.
Despite my reluctance to use these images in the browser itself, it would be
nice to collect them up and use them somehow. Someone should create a mozilla
museum and populate it with the various splashscreens, icons and download now
buttons that people have created.
Comment 63•24 years ago
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Green Mozilla is the only true Mozilla. Free Mozilla!
Comment 64•24 years ago
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Dawn's last comment doesn't seem very accurate. If the green lizard was really
Netscape-specific, then dmoz.org couldn't use it. And if the ship's wheel was
really a Netscape trademark, then the Classic theme couldn't use it. Obviously
neither of those are the case.
Comment 65•24 years ago
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Green Mozilla:
a) dmoz.org is owned by netscape.
b) I didn't say that netscape wouldn't let us use the green mozilla. I
said that we don't want to use it.
Ship's Wheel:
I withdraw what I said about not being able to use the ship's wheel.
According to mitchell's comments in bug 43076 I was wrong about using the
wheel. (Yes, its a trademark but since it wasn't disallowed by the npl, its ok
to use) However, my personal opinion is that its better not to use it because
I want Mozilla to have its own identity and not be confused with Netscape.
Nevertheless, art is hard and I don't see anyone coming up with something
better any time soon.
Comment 66•24 years ago
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I agree with dawn - it would be nice if mozilla kept it's own identity as much
as possible... not to mention that as far as the ships wheel goes, it sucks. it
sucks when Netscape started using it, and it sucks today... IMHO :)
Comment 67•24 years ago
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> art is hard and I don't see anyone coming up with something better any time soon.
.. then you havent looked at Giovanni's icons yet
(http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/).
These are the best icons i have ever seen, of ANY program. They have everything:
recognizability, clarity of color and form, detailed and even a 3D-effect.
The only things i would change are:
- Make the "m" 50% larger (overlapping the triangle and going behind the
mail/wheel symbols)
- Make the symbols (mail/wheel) 50% larger. A good overlapping effect could
yield even more recognizability of the individual symbols in the icon.
- Make the small icon (next to the windows clock using "TrayIcon") less washed
out under WinNT.
Giovanni: the site where your icons are displayed has no link to your email for
ppl to send you suggestions directly from there. Also, an intro paragraph
(why/how you did the icons) would be nice. Also, create a zip file with your
icons and attach it to this bug (Giovanni-1.ZIP).
Comment 68•24 years ago
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I have not seen any negative comments regarding Giovanni's design in n.p.m.ui.
Though I agree with Peter Lairo's comments above for a little better
recognition, I would like his design to enter the nightlies sooner than later.
Why don't we include them into the nightlies so that we get better feedback?
Are you going to refine your design and post them here, Giovanni?
Are you working on icons for documents etc, too?
Comment 69•24 years ago
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if we're going to lobby for changes i might as well remind everyone that blue
is not part of mozilla's color scheme, red and orange are ...
Comment 70•24 years ago
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oh please no - nothing like agressive colors (red tones) to turn everyone off.
We should use red accenting, but no more.
Comment 71•24 years ago
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I agree. Apple's HIG also say only to use bright colors for accents, not the bulk
of the icon.
Comment 72•24 years ago
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It has to be taken into account how color scheme affects visualization by
color-impaired vision. Using red and orange together is a no-no from that point.
As to using blue, the throbber uses blue, and I can not see any problem with it.
Comment 73•24 years ago
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As hirata masakazu has pointed out in the last comment the colors used in my
icons are based on the throbber image, so the color scheme shouldn't be a problem.
hirata masakazu: No icons for documents yet. However, I'd like to know if we
need only one icon for all supported filetypes or different icons for different
filetypes?
Comment 74•24 years ago
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that's bug 27746 which includes a list of icons required [its about 50].
as for colors, if you make the red dark and the orange bright it shouldn't be
bad. This is a background after all.
Comment 75•24 years ago
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timeless is stuck on red and orange:
i think timeless' strength is in his technical competence. As for his esthetic
(visual layout) judgement/taste, just look here and judge for yourself whether
you want to follow his advice on these matters (no offense timeless, but we all
have our weaknesses, and you don't seem to aknowledge/recognize yours)
http://timeless.student.umd.edu/mozilla/icons/wishlist.html
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Comment 76•24 years ago
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The icons with the blue triangle are nice, but i see some problems. First, I
think we need to move away from the triangle idea, as that is from Netscape 4,
and we want to be different than it. Second, as endico said, any font used has
to be the official one, which was not used here, as far as i can tell. Third,
as far as i know, the ships wheel is a netscape trademark, and wasn't released
for use by mozilla.org. I may be wrong about that... Anyways, the icons look
really great, and I think with a few tweak, they may be the ones to go with.
Timeless and I had talked about using a red star in the background instead of
the triagle when we were trying to come up with a replacement a while ago.
Comment 77•24 years ago
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1. The blue triangle is also used in Corel's WordPerfect suite, so it's not just
netscape. Maybe it could come to symbolize a unified front against M$ ;-)
We should definetly move faaar away from a red star as symbol for mozilla. I
don't mind Communism as a political system, but it has negative connotations for
many westerners.
2. The font used (or drawn) is very close the the throbber "m". Just a little
tweaking and it's done.
3. Trash the wheel if you must. This could be the greatest challenge: to come up
with a symbol that immediately conjures up the concept of *BROWSING* to anyone
that sees the symbol.
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Comment 79•24 years ago
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I do second Peter on the Red Star issue. And not as a westerner but a easterner.
I've spent 30 years of my lfe in the shadow of the star and it is as offensive
to me (and most my compatriots) as the swastika. In Poland it was always
anoffensive symbol, so even the communists did not use it in our country. When I
showed Mozilla to anyone in Poland, I couls observe the logo on the About page
was always a shock. I haven't spoken up on this before but when someone did, I
believe we should at least mxiamlize the reptile and minimalize the star use.
The about.html star at least has the reptile inside. The red stars on icons will
be symbols of the frmer Soviet Union, not Mozilla.
All this is my personal opinion, but I am not the only victim of the communism s
you step on some toes with the red star.
Comment 80•24 years ago
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Besides being painful or offensive to victims of communism, the red star is sooo
'98 and jwz-era. Speaking for myself, I welcome a new, sufficiently bold, icon
logo for Mozilla.
/be
Comment 81•24 years ago
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The wheel is so 1400s? and they repressed and killed millions in the new world.
I have a new icon proposal. but i'm sick of being insulted.
Comment 82•24 years ago
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timeless: good point about that ship's wheel.
What's your proposal? BTW, I don't see any insults against you.
/be
Comment 83•24 years ago
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Besides being painful or offensive to victims of communism, the red star
winds up looking really ugly at small sizes (too aliased). Our new bold
mozilla icon is http://images.slashdot.org/topics/topicmozilla.gif
although its not widely deployed yet. I would like for new icons to be
based on this image. (but not the 16x16 app icons since they're too small
to contain both mozilla and the app's image).
http://dsl081-068-125-sfo1.dsl-isp.net/mozilla/logos/
Here are some draft images that I just made. The 32x32 images are
supposed to have transparent backgrounds. At this moment they don't.
Pretend they do. The images I have posing as 16x16 look almost right but
aren't quite the right size. Pretend they are. Why did I use the ship's
wheel? I think the application icons should use the same images that are
used in Mozilla's default theme and the classic theme uses the ship's
wheel.
I would be extremely happy if someone did some better looking images
based on the mozilla head. If no one does, I can clean up these images
and we can use them. I don't consider these terribly polished but I think
they're better than what's there now and they use real mozilla.org logo.
Comment 84•24 years ago
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I strongly urge you to *reconsider* using the dinosaur head as icon. Not only is
the red color an aggressive color (how many icons are so dominately red?), but
also displaying a *head* as an icon is a futile task. There is no way to show a
head and have it detailed enough at that size to be *easily* and *quickly*
recognizable. Just imagine how the taskbar icon will look like: an
indistiguishable BLOB of red - no thank you.
I suggest using the letter "m" with some 3-D effect, like the M$ Ecxel icon.
BTW, the "m" in the banner looks like some "challenged" chield drew it (second
hump much smaller than the fist hump). Couldn't we use a prettier, more esthetic
"m" (like the throbber)?
Remember the KISS principal ;)
Comment 85•24 years ago
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FWIW, I think endico's mozilla head looks good. With some removal of detail it
is quite possible to make an easily recognizable mozilla head in 16x16. I've
been using blizzard's builds which have endico's icons in them, and I have no
trouble making out the shape of a head in the taskbar (it is certainly not just
a "blob of red").
As for red being aggressive, it goes perfectly well with the mozilla mascot--
the lizard dominating the plains (and whatever other terrain...)
I assume that trademark issues have been resolved?
OK, this is somewhat of a snide comment, so ignore it if you wish: If we keep
arguing about which icon to check in, we will *never* move away from the red
star (which most people agree is a bad icon). Why don't we check in the mozilla
head until something better comes along?
Comment 86•24 years ago
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I like endico's artwork. And victims of dinosaurs have been gone for so long,
we don't need to worry about offending them! Seriously, I'm all in favor of
"worse is better", if not "better is better" -- endico's dino-heads look better
to me.
/be
Comment 87•24 years ago
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Timeless, please submit your icon. I hope it is not me who you believe insults
you. I do not know who isthe author of the red star logo. I see the reasonong
behind that; it was upposed to show how revolutionary Mozilla is. The intentions
were fine. The problem is the author had not made his revolutionary homework. It
should have been a red flag with the dinosaur Mozilla. That is the international
symbol of revolutions (that does not mean that I support this design of Mozilla
logo). Red star is just one of the state sybmols of former Soviet Union (the
other ar hammer and sickle and the red flag *with* these tools), usen not only
on the Kremlin but on all Soviet planes and tanks. So comparing it to swastika
was actually wrong (sorry), but it is the exact equivalent of the black cross on
Wehrmacht tanks and Luftwaffe planes. Would you like a Mozilla logo like that? I
believe, not.
But I still want to see the new icon proposal. The more the better.
Comment 88•24 years ago
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I think I should point out a few things about mozilla branding here. First, I
remember reading an article about written by the person who designed the
Mozilla.org site. He said that he was told what was happening one friday and had
the site online by monday. In other words there was no long, thought out process
about the design of it.
Second, who says we have to use the red mozilla? There are two mozillas, the
real one (green and purple) and the new one (red). Why can't we use the old one?
I would suggest checking in the icons at http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/ because
they:
1) Use understood symbols
2) Look like the modern and classic skins
3) Don't use the controvercial (sp?) red mozilla logo.
Mozilla is not netscape, but it is based on Netscape and strongly supported by
Netscape, I don't think we should forget that. I think those icons keep the link
with netscape, while equally extending the program into mozilla.org.
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Comment 89•24 years ago
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Comment 90•24 years ago
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I agree with Peter - I think it would be quite difficult to get a clean and
recognizable icon out of the dinosaur head. It's just too complex to make a
good icon. I do not, however, think red and orange are bad colors for the
icon. On the contrary, I believe a project as bold as Mozilla deserves
nothing less than an icon that stands out and declares itself boldly, unlike
the placid lithium blues that Explorer uses. I've created another
attachment with a new idea for the primary Mozilla icon. This one uses a
red 'm' in the official Revolution font (or a close approximation of it) in a
subtle 3-D effect over an orange background. If there's much interest in it, I
can create derivatives for mail, composer, etc.
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Comment 91•24 years ago
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Comment 92•24 years ago
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Mozilla is red. Period. The green mozilla is Netscape's mozilla, and
mozilla.org is not using it. Please don't bring that up again. Mozilla.org's
mozilla is red. We have a good icon using a combination of classic skin's
taskbar icons and the mozilla head. I will post them when i finish converting
them to ico's. See Dawn's link above for what they look like. Again, we WILL
NOT USE THE GREEN MOZILLA.
Comment 93•24 years ago
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I think we should use a green mozilla. Any objections?
Comment 94•24 years ago
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ho hum. Drunk beer, commenting in this bug against my better judgement.
Green Dragon/Dinosaur = Netscape
Red Dinosaur = Mozilla
Not good idea to mix the two.
I can understand how the red star would upset some people, so on balance it shoul
probably go, but I don't see any point in devalueing any other part of the
current Mozilla branding... the red dino is cool. Leave him be.
Comment 95•24 years ago
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Green Mozilla is the only Mozilla. Any other Mozilla is an impersonator.
Comment 96•24 years ago
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If Mozilla.org really wants to not be confused with Netscape then they should
drop the Netscape Trademarked "Mozilla" entirely.
(http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=spd44h.2.2) This term has been
associated with Netscape since at least the filing date of July 7th, 1995. If
you want to kill 5 years of history you're going to have to do a lot more than
change Mozilla's color from green to red.
Comment 97•24 years ago
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the recent icon attachment looks promising. How about making the "m" more 3D,
like rotating it in space (top back and bottom fore a bit), and giving the
letter itself some depth (z-axis) - see excel icon.
Do we really want to keep that dorky font. The "m" looks like to rectangles, one
behind/next to the other. It's way too non-"m" like and too rectangular.
Also, the globe and envellope look out of place (color-wise). How about making
the globe green and yellow, and double the size? The envelope looks too much
like a printer icon at that size. Maybe also make double size and loose the
paper, replace with 3 lines on envelope (adressee).
The icons have two elements: 1. mozilla 2. browse/mail/etc. Both elements must
be quickly and easily recognizable. Therefore i suggest to make the
globe/envelope much bigger, while keeping the "m" identifiable (i.e. massive
overlapping).
Comment 98•24 years ago
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While the M is OK, I don't like the other icons.
To me they scream IE/OE. Why should the web have a globe when email doesn't?
Since the browser is still called navigator, it should have an icon to reflect
this, and an icon that is used in the two skins which *ship* with it. Any
suggestions...?
Many mozilla users dislike (or even hate) IE, so I think it would be better to
resemble Netscape rather than IE.
Comment 99•24 years ago
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Maybe something futuristic, yet traditional: How about a sextant with a 4-point
star behind it?
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Comment 100•24 years ago
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Comment 101•24 years ago
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If we do go with a dinosaur head icon, it needs to look something like the above
attachment: low-detail, line-drawing-style graphic created 1 pixel at a time (rather than
just scaled down in photoshop). Anti-aliasing is fine for banners, but it causes details to
become too blury at the icon level.
Comment 102•24 years ago
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Bugs are not the place for this kind of advocacy debate. If you have a patch or
information directly relevant to a _bug_ in the existing implementation (or
spec) then please add that information here. If you have a "it should look like
this" or an "it shouldn't look like that" _opinion_ then take it to the
newsgroups PLEASE. By filling up Bugzilla with these opinion debates you are
making the tool less useful for the people actually doing the work and are
directly responsible for the lowering of quality in the product. I'll say it
again. If you have spec or an implementation that you would like to contribute
then Bugzilla is the place. If you have an opinion about the current spec or
implementation then the newsgroups are the appropriate forum. Thank you in
advance for your help in maintaining a meaningful _bug_ database and for helping
to make Mozilla better.
Comment 103•24 years ago
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Endico's icons are attractive, but I would like something a little playful.
Mozilla is supposed to be fun, right? Also, I believe why limit the browser to
only one set of icons? Maybe we should agree on a few sets the browser can
have. I use windows, and an application can have as many icons as it wants. I
love Giovani's icons and I like AU's - moz_thickoutline.ico (simple, no
triangle) also. Maybe if he could play around with that one to make a full set
of Mozilla icons similiar to that. Also, I like kaldari@onyxsys.net's "M" icon -
and yes, I like the font. Why not include all three sets (and any more cool
sets people come up with)? Why limit people's iconning abilities? I say use
them all. Hey, one day you might be in the mood for one set, and another day
for another.
Now, since I don't want to sound like another advocacy debater *shrug*, I am
going to alter the Splash screen from the url to have a red mozilla and attach
it because I really love this splash screen and really want Mozilla to use it.
Comment 104•24 years ago
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Comment 105•24 years ago
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Comment 106•24 years ago
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If you need the .psd file for any reason, I can post it.
Comment 107•24 years ago
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To clarify for Matthew (2000-07-13 09:08):
>That depends on the OS. The problem is that in Mozilla, each visible component
>(Navigator, Messenger, Address Book, etc) is not an application itself, but a
>document which the Mozilla application opens.
>* On Windows, you can only have one icon for each document type.
On Window, each *application* can have as many icons as it wants, each document
type can only have one icon.
Therefore, Mozilla is not limited to a certain number of icons nor any icon
size on windows. If it is a valid .bmp then it would be a valid .ico (except
16x16 icon would be needed for the windows - you can change those icons
dynamically). Since they are can be changed dynamically, you can put a
different icon for composer, mail, etc's window.
Comment 108•24 years ago
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Chaning the qa contact on these bugs to me. MPT will be moving to the
owner of this component shortly. I would like to thank him for all his hard
work as he moves roles in mozilla.org...Yada, Yada, Yada...
QA Contact: asa → zach
Reporter | ||
Comment 109•24 years ago
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BTW, the guy who did all the mozilla illustrations for dmoz and those old
Netscape T-Shirts is Dave Titus. It might not be a bad idea if a mozilla
project representative dropped him a line to see if he would be interested
in doing some icon designs for us. BTW, he contends that mozilla is no
longer the Netscape mascot as it was scared away by the pinstriped
suits. Personally, I see no problem with using the original (and beloved)
green mozilla. But regardless of which dinosaur color we choose, I'm
sure Dave could come up with some nice designs, maybe even a couple
non-dinosaur ones just to get some more ideas on the table. If anyone
wants to contact him, his email address is dtitus@qnet.com and his
phone number is 760-935-4455.
Comment 110•24 years ago
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I made a cool new icon!
this one is pretty cool, please check it out!
http://www.reitech.net:80/ftp/public/upload/Mozilla.ico
For those who can't see .ico format, here's .png format.
The icon includes 16*16, 32*32, and 64*64 resolution.
16*16: http://www.reitech.net:80/ftp/public/upload/mozillaicon16.png
32*32: http://www.reitech.net:80/ftp/public/upload/mozillaicon32.png
64*64: http://www.reitech.net:80/ftp/public/upload/mozillaicon64.png
Comment 111•24 years ago
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hehe, now when I see the other icons, mine are pretty suck.
Comment 112•24 years ago
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abeeri, also look at the status whiteboard.
Comment 113•24 years ago
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What status whiteboard?
Comment 114•24 years ago
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I saw the icons and they great.
I only have one suggestion-- what about address book icon?
Comment 115•24 years ago
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Comment 116•24 years ago
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has anyone checked the icons on http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/ lately ?
the icons look now very nice on that page and the same url is also metioned in
bug 57576 and on mozillazine build comments March 8, 2001.
Comment 117•24 years ago
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I'm gonna place my vote on the icons at http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/ . They
don't use stars (where does the idea for the stars come from?) and they seem to
reflect what each component does. They also fit in with the other common themes
of Mozilla. The blue gecko must go, and I think these are the most appropriate
icons.
Reporter | ||
Comment 118•24 years ago
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Would someone please attach the 'blue gecko' icon. I'm on a mac so I've
only seen the weird blue shape-thingy icon. I wonder which is worse.
Comment 119•24 years ago
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you don't want to see it. the large image is pretty nice but at
icon size it just looks like a blue apostrophe or a sperm.
Comment 120•24 years ago
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I'm creating an attachment of an icon for Mozilla based upon an older design I
saw of the M used in some of the drawings by Dave Titus. If this is copyrighted
let me know, but I created it myself. Base color is white, but also tested in
red. Sorry for ignorant previous comments.
Bryant
Comment 121•24 years ago
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Comment 122•24 years ago
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Comment 123•24 years ago
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that M reminds me of the mosaic communications animation from ns0.93
Comment 124•24 years ago
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I've been using the icons from http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/ and they're
great! I third the crosswinds icons!
Comment 125•24 years ago
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I would vote for the icosn of http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/, but i don't
dislike the attach_id=26174 ones. Please avoid the red star stuff is very
offensive, see
Jacek Piskozub post, i couldn't have said it better.
Comment 126•24 years ago
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In my opinion the gcc icons are by far the best.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=26174 comes a distant
second and if http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=26203
comes an even more distant third.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=21470 are pretty much
useless (you shouldn't differentiate only by colour)
Like I said above, Mozilla isn't Netscape, but Netscape have a big part to play
in Mozilla. These icons also tie in with both skins, which is obviously a plus.
Reporter | ||
Comment 127•24 years ago
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If everyone likes Giovanni's icons, the question now becomes, is Giovanni
willing to create the 168+ icons that the Mozilla app needs.
We need icons of 3 different sizes (16, 32, and 128) in 4 different
bit-depths (1, 4, 8, 32) for at least the following components:
Standard App
Navigator App
Mail App
News App
Generic Document
Incomplete Document
Text Document
GIF Document
JPEG Document
PNG Document
Plug-in
Preferences
Bookmark
User Profile
There are probably several other components I'm forgetting, but the point
is, this is a rather large undertaking, so if we hope to have new icons by
the 0.9 release, we need to get serious about it pretty soon.
Reporter | ||
Comment 128•24 years ago
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Reporter | ||
Comment 129•24 years ago
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I don't really like Giovanni's main mozilla icon. The white stripe around the
'm' interferes with the 3-d effect. I attached an alternate version based on
the 'm' icon in one of his splashscreens.
Comment 130•24 years ago
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Giovanni wouldn't have to create all those icons himself.
He could just made the one with the largest resolution and bit-depth, and
someone else with could to the down-scaling.
Comment 131•24 years ago
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kaldary: not a bad design. I like the enhanced 3-d effect. But i still like the
"hollow" (transparent) border that is a common theme of all of giovanni's icons.
It gives the whole thing a more refined and detailed appearance.
I think we should incorporate both aspects: keep the hollow (transparent) border
and make the center part more 3-d, and maybe make the "m" just a bit smaller to
give room for the 3-d effect.
Giovanni, you want to give it a try? (you're an icon god, you should be making
icons for money - not a single icon on my whole PC is better)
Comment 132•24 years ago
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A couple of experimental icon sets are available at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/icons/
Comment 133•24 years ago
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Giovanni, your web page is frequently not accessible. I suggest moving your
excellent icons to another location (provider) so that more people can download
your icons and see the light that emanates from your boundless creativity and
talent ;)
Comment 134•24 years ago
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Your experimental icons are an interesting variation on the originals, but
nowhere near their quality, but still far better than anyone elses icons.
Having the blue triangle on the top gives it more of a floating, weightless and
abstract appearance that seems more interesting and artistic than the logical,
envelope-like look when it is on the bottom.
Maybe you could just move the "m" into the orage area on the bottom and the
symbol to the top blue area and see how that looks like (i like the "m" in the
orange idea).
Comment 135•24 years ago
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I think the experimental ideas are good (though I miss the blue part being in
the upper left). The previous versions look like (vastly) improved versions of
the original communicator icons, and while this is appropriate for Netscape6,
mozilla needs to differentiate its icons (which is why I like these new icons).
Reporter | ||
Comment 136•24 years ago
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Reporter | ||
Comment 137•24 years ago
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I've attached a new icon proposal based on Dave Titus's mozilla. This is
the original mozilla everyone knows and loves (not the red imposter).
Whaddya think?
Comment 138•24 years ago
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mozilla is red!
Comment 139•24 years ago
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Icon from 18.3.01: No, looks too silly and becomes washed out at icon size.
Doesn't even come close to the quality of Giovanni's icons.
Comment 140•24 years ago
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Assuming that these icons can't be drawn in 16 colours, shouldn't they be made
to use the browser-safe palette?
P.S. FYI: Re: Windows windows icons: On Windows, each window needs both icons.
(Although they can be stored in the same file they must still be loaded twice.)
Reporter | ||
Comment 141•24 years ago
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Comment 142•24 years ago
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The color safe palette has about 16 colors (maybe it was 11?), if we decide to
use something like that, we're stuck in a stupid place. Each platform will
include some platform specific binaries, so we are probably much better off
using that instead.
(id=28059) would be nice except for one thing:
Status Whiteboard: [Mozilla is RED]
well, that and the app icons are way too small.
Reporter | ||
Comment 143•24 years ago
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OK, the attachment above is in the Windows System pallette and includes 16 pixel
versions. I also have a 128 pixel version at home.
Comment 144•24 years ago
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Colorizing those images to a red mozilla results in an unviewable mouth which
makes the creature unrecognizable. Please start by believing the mozilla is
red.
Reporter | ||
Comment 145•24 years ago
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I would like to see more feedback about the concept, not the technical merits of
the graphics. They're just rough drafts, like I imagine Giovanni's are. I can
make them red or purple or whatever. The point of my concept is that I want to
have a more memorable standard icon. Truth is, I like Giovanni's icons a lot. In
fact I like his app specific ones a lot better than mine, but I think his
standard mozilla icon (which is definitely the most important of the lot) is a
bit weak. This is the icon that everyone will associate with mozilla. In fact,
this will probably become the de facto symbol of the product. I would like to
see some more ideas from Giovanni on this. Also, if zach (or someone else) would
like to email me about why mozilla is supposed to be red, I'd appeciate it.
Personally, I think abandoning the classic green mozilla is a shot in the foot.
Reporter | ||
Comment 146•24 years ago
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Reporter | ||
Comment 147•24 years ago
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Not that I like it, but I did a red version of the classic mozilla as an
experiment. Unfortunately, red is hard to be subtle with so I ended up
making him a bit too orange.
Comment 148•24 years ago
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Doesn't it look like a green Mozilla after a good tan session? Or like tomatoes
that are no more green but not yet red? ;-)
Assignee | ||
Comment 149•24 years ago
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This bug has gotten way out of hand. First off, mozilla is the mozilla in the
header of THIS PAGE. There is NO other mozilla when talking about mozilla.org
properties. I am closing this bug as invalid, because there is no way to reach
consensus on any set of icons. I know mozilla.org is talking to Giovanni's
icons, and how they'd like to see them. Further discussion of this should be
taken to the UI newsgroup. I will open a tracking bug that we will use to only
check in the FINAL set of icons, and not for 60 different people to vote on.
Please use the newsgroups to do that.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 24 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Comment 150•24 years ago
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vrfy it is quite clear from this bug that the mozilla icon is not really boring
and ugly. it is at least rather exciting and controversial :-)
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Comment 151•24 years ago
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the *icon* IS boring and ugly, the topic is what is *interesting* :)
Comment 152•24 years ago
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Consider talking to the Barney people about blue to enrage everyone.
Controversy is good.
Comment 153•24 years ago
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Hi all. I know a guy that works making icons. He is a minimalist, so maybe you
will like his work. You can see it at http://grafica.mareotis.com/mozilla/
Comment 154•24 years ago
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Those icons are way too detailed for such a small space, and there is not enough
contrast.
Besides, this bug is VERIFIED WONTFIX, try n.p.m.UI
Reporter | ||
Comment 155•24 years ago
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I really like pepepue's latest mozilla icons
(http://grafica.mareotis.com/mozilla/). I think they're the first truly cool icons
made for mozilla. Nice work.
Comment 156•23 years ago
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I like this splash page (and the one came with the current release).
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=26259
Consider using the yellow square in in with the red dino head in it is the application Icon. Or something simular.
- Jason
Comment 157•23 years ago
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Ah, this whole thing makes me sick - there is no way to get a recognizable red
dinosaur head into an icon *and* have enough space for anything else that is
recognizable (envelope, wheel, rolodex page, etc.).
Please reconsider building on these masterpieces:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/oldstuff/index.html
Maybe replacing the "m" with a dino head blob or something.
Or use giovanni's new icon for the master app icon and his previous masterpieces
(I can't say that often enough - masterpieces, ahhh) for the individual modules
(mail, browser, etc)
PS. where has this bug moved to? Is it now in the black hole called newsgroup? I
hope not.
Assignee | ||
Comment 158•23 years ago
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Killing off the depends. This bug is closed. Go to the newsgroup.
No longer depends on: 57576
Summary: The Mozilla icon is really boring and ugly → Mozilla needs a set of icons
Target Milestone: mozilla0.9 → Future
Comment 159•23 years ago
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Just for the record.
1. Why did you change the target and summary of a bug you had marked WONTFIX?
2. The bug is not closed (as defined by Bugzilla). Have we shipped the product?
Comment 160•23 years ago
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Jason. I cannot understand your logic here. You mark 27746 as a dup of 73712 but
not this? Especially, after you changed it's summary to make it more similar?
I'll risk the wrath of Mozilla gods and make a dup of bug 73712 as well. I
believe that when two dups are practically identical, one should not be WONTFIX
if the other is supposed to be fixed. Reopening to make it a dup.
Status: VERIFIED → REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
Comment 161•23 years ago
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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 73712 ***
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 24 years ago → 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → DUPLICATE
Assignee | ||
Comment 162•23 years ago
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Sorry for the messing up here. Won't happen again.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Comment 163•23 years ago
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Just wanted to say that the Linux Mozilla icon rocks, but the Windows and Mac OS
ones are very very ugly. The really bad part is that when you have a system
with only a 16 color graphics card (some of my servers) or you do a fresh
install of windows and you only have 16 colors the icon is the same color as the
default windows background so you dont even see it. It just blends right in. I
think we shoud be using the Linux icon (PNG above) for all the systems. It's a
nice one.
Comment 164•23 years ago
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The lizard head is too detailed to be a good icon.
Reporter | ||
Comment 165•23 years ago
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Whoever rewrote my summary and marked this bug a duplicate of 73712
was smoking crack (Jason Kersey). This bug concerns the aesthetic
qualities of the Mozilla icons, not whether or not they exist. I'm changing
my summary back and reopening the bug. I would appreciate it if whoever
has the authority would resolve this bug as FIXED or WONT FIX or
whatever. This bug may DEPEND on bug 73712, but it's not a duplicate.
Status: VERIFIED → REOPENED
Resolution: DUPLICATE → ---
Summary: Mozilla needs a set of icons → Mozilla's icons are boring and ugly
Comment 166•23 years ago
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Jason Kersey changed the summary to almost identical with bug 73712 (no idea
why) and marked it fixed/wontfix. I reopened it and made it a dup of 73712. At
least it created a link from 73712 to this one.
I believe you have the power to mark fixed a bug you reported. However I cannot
understand why you would prefer it fixed/wontfix to fixed/duplicate. By being a
dup of bug 73712 your beomes a part of 73712, adding to its history. Marking it
wontfix makes it a true dead bug.
Reporter | ||
Comment 167•23 years ago
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I didn't want to mark it FIXED myself, since personally, I still don't think the
icons are that great. But rather than provoke the Mozilla gods further, I
guess I'll go along with the concensus and concede the point. To make
sure that this bug isn't totally lost to the world, however, I'm going to mark
it as dependant of bug 73712, which makes a lot more sense to me than
marking it as a duplicate. Call me a nitpicker, but I like for these things to
make sense sometimes. For the record, I do think that the new icons are
a definite improvement.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago → 23 years ago
Depends on: stopthewhining
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Comment 168•23 years ago
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Is it really fixed? We know it is not. Stopping short from verifying.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Reporter | ||
Comment 169•23 years ago
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Has anyone looked at Giovanni's newer Mozilla icons?
http://www.crosswinds.net/~ggc/. They're terrific. Are these new ones (with
the dinosaur head) actually going to be implemented? When can we
expect to see them? They're a huge improvement over his original set.
BTW, we also need a new installer icon which I've created a seperate bug
for: bug 93768. Any chance of basing it on this new Mozilla icon design?
Comment 170•23 years ago
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The proper open bug for the lack of different icons is now bug 73712.
Reporter | ||
Comment 171•23 years ago
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Bug 73712 deals with establishing separate icons for different Mozilla
component windows, it has nothing to do with the installer icon.
Comment 172•23 years ago
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This bug is neither fixed nor is it a dupe. Bug 73712 is for SEPARATE icons,
this bug is for BETTER icons. These are two distinct issues. I suggest you
reopen this bug and keep it open until that ugly lizzrd icon is finally "improved".
Comment 173•23 years ago
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Comment 174•23 years ago
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I've grown quite fond of Ximian's Mozilla icons. The star/lizard launch icon is
unmistakeable for anything else even at low resolutions, and the right facing
lizard for minimized windows follows through on the theme.
Here is an example of the icons in a control panel from my desktop.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=47881&action=view
Comment 175•23 years ago
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The licensing issues are resolved now, right - which means that
drivers@mozilla.org can now decide on an icon set?
Again, I believe that at least 4 or 5 sets should be chosen. Icons take up so
little space, and why limit the users to one set?
Also, please make sure that there are different icons for the window of
navigator, mail, and composer.
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Comment 176•23 years ago
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The license change was to change the existing license on source files. Nothing
to do with images. Nothing has been resolved.
Comment 177•23 years ago
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I'm starting an effort to formalize an effort to revise the parts of Mozilla's
appearance outside themes, such as the icon suite, the installer, the splash
screen, and the Profile Manager dialog.
I've started a web page with some initial ideas and bug links at
[http://greg.tcp.com/mozilla/ui/Outside/introduction.html]. I welcome any and
all comments on it.
Comment 178•23 years ago
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Comment 179•23 years ago
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Adam, could you also attach a gif or png of your icons? Thanks.
Comment 180•23 years ago
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Also, be sure to include 48x48 and 128x128 sizes.
Comment 181•23 years ago
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These icons are only for the navigator. We needs also icons for mail, editor
etc. See bug 73712 for the detailed list.
BTW, this bug is dead. The right bug for Mozilla icon implementation is 73712.
Comment 182•23 years ago
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Well, also the reopened bug 47779. I'm not quite sure if one should be a dup of
the other, or not.
Comment 183•23 years ago
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a complete 'lizardous' icon set. it features 64x64, 48x48, 32x32, 24x24, and
16x16 sizes, with 32-, 16, 8-, 4- & 1 (monochrome) bit depth. the 32-bit format
takes advantage of Windows XP's 16M colors and alpha blending support.
hope you like it.
bye all
Francesco De Francesco <fdefrancesco@iol.it>
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Attachment description: Why is the wheel such a controvercial issue, it has been used in many situations thoroughout mozilla aswell as the "Navigator" trademark so what is the issue of putting another Wheel at which makes the browser commonly identifyable. Attached is an exerpt → Exerpt of the wheel in the taskbar from the modern skin.
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